"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
06/08/2015 at 21:54 • Filed to: None
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"jkm7680" (jkm7680)
06/08/2015 at 21:54 • Filed to: None | 5
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1. Don’t tailgate cars.
2. Why do you never ride at/anywhere near the speed limit?
3. Why do you run from the police so often?
I’m done with bikes completely, my interest in them has dropped to none. I used to love bikes, specifically the R6 and a few others.
PowderHound
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 21:58 |
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I have seen too many of my friends after crashes from something like rocks in a corner that I have no desire.
Cherry_man1
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:01 |
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Sport bikes have no place on the roads anymore. They were all fine before the became so cheap and accessible cause smart people could only afford them.
mcseanerson
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:01 |
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Rule #1 applies to everyone. Personally I go back and forth on my interest in bikes. I think at the end of the day when I can afford one I’d love to race one but I don’t know if I have any interest in riding on the street.
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jkm7680
> mcseanerson
06/08/2015 at 22:02 |
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Bikes make me significantly more nervous than cars though, since they get right up on your bumper and ya know if a hazard comes up in front of you....
bob and john
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:03 |
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because squids. Simple as that
CRider
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:03 |
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1. If lane splitting was legal, this would not be a problem. But assholes will asshole. By this logic, outlaw BMWs.
2. Because racebike.
3. Because they’re assholes, and most PDs have a no-chase policy with regards to motorcycles. As soon as the bike wants to get away, it’s not that hard to do, especially in traffic.
I can draw direct lines to sports car driver if you’d like to go there. Ferrari drivers are pompous assholes, so all car drivers must be too!
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bob and john
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:08 |
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also, saying you are done with bikes because of a few idiots is like someone here saying they are done with cars because of ricers. They are a small group that the real community trys to ignore. We hate them even more then you, because now the REST of us have shitty reps thanks to a few morons and the wonders of depreciation.
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jkm7680
> bob and john
06/08/2015 at 22:19 |
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95% of the sportbike riders that I see are the type that I mentioned above. I’ve seen a recent influx of Busas with extended swing arms and green Mohawk helmet wearing riders in past months I don’t want to associate myself with a group that gets frequent police attencion. The only place where I ever can find decent riders are at car meets. Then it’s usually the BMW S1000 crowd and the mature folks that don’t buy bikes to be douches.
Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:20 |
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4. Why do they do so much stupid shit in general?
Around here I’ve yet to see someone not be a fucking jackass on one, besides black people for whatever reason. Right after I moved to Florida, I almost took out a dumb piece of shit because the dumb fucker passed me through some cones on the right through a construction zone, swerved in front of me, and immediately locked his brakes only to turn into the gas station that we got to at the same time. I couldn’t see his helmet we got so close.
yamahog
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:24 |
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Dear drivers,
Don’t tailgate bikes. Or anyone else.
I do ride at/near the speed limits. But between speedo error and the desire to GTFO from between inattentive assholes trying to squish me, sometimes I grab a whole lot of throttle in quick bursts.
I don’t? Never even had lights flashed at me on my bike.
I’m almost done riding on public roads because I’m tired of dealing with oblivious drivers nearly killing me every day and obnoxious drivers trying to race me. Just want to make it home in one piece. Obviously there are obnoxious bikers too, they’re just statistically less likely to kill anyone but themselves in a crash.
Xyl0c41n3
> Cherry_man1
06/08/2015 at 22:25 |
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Because only rich people are smart, cherry? That's an incredibly classist thing to say, hon. Idiots exist in all tax brackets, as do bright and thoughtful people.
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jkm7680
> yamahog
06/08/2015 at 22:26 |
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That’s true. There still are good riders out there, but I’m noticing less and less of them. I’d love to get back into it, but I’m keeping clear for now.
How many Civics have tried to race you?
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yamahog
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:29 |
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Understandable, it’s not for everyone.
And it’s not even just Civics. White haired assholes in Porsches, too!
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jkm7680
> yamahog
06/08/2015 at 22:32 |
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Really haha?
Jedidiah
> yamahog
06/08/2015 at 22:34 |
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Most average bikes have terrible stopping distance compared to the average car
You’d think they’d want to keep as much distance as possible between them and cars on the road. Guess not. You know why? Because they’re fucking stupid, that’s why
I got out of motorcycles really quick and sold both of mine recently. Riding on public roads is damn near suicidal and I like living too much
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bob and john
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:38 |
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let me tell you why.
because you never notice the ones who ARE riding safe. because why would you? you and him are just going about your day. they dont stick out in your mind.
what DOES stick out in your mind is a moron doing a buck 40 down a residential street in shorts and a wife beater.
Believe me, there ARE good sport bike riders out there. They just hide and stay quiet because we dont want to be associated with the nitwits at all. You’ve seen pictures of my bike. I ride quick, I will freely admit that. but I know how to respect myself and others in traffic, so you wont remember me going by.
Decent riders at car meets? please. The decents riders are out RIDING, not flapping their gums with the busa bros
So please, none of this “I’m done because of said group” it just makes you look badly un-informed and hilariously prejudiced.
scoob
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:41 |
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I agree that the majority of sportbike riders I see are either underdressed, speeding, weaving in and out of traffic, have those dumb mohawk things on their helmets, or are a combination of all of the above, but generalizing every one of them together into one big category is not the right way to tackle it.
I did see one idiot on an S1000 once though. :P
wafflesnfalafel
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:43 |
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yeah... we’ve got a neighbor kid with a bike - passed me twice on the sidewalk in our neighborhood already. It pisses me off - but I figure he’s going to be dead soon enough..
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jkm7680
> bob and john
06/08/2015 at 22:46 |
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Trust me, I'm aware of who's an asshole and who isn't. Police officers target sportbikes, fact. Decent riders can do whatever they want, if it means meeting with other riders at a car show then so be it. I never see Busa Bros doing that unless it's at a ricer meet at 3am in front of Wendy's. I am done with bikes, that's not the whole story but it's half of it.
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bob and john
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 22:47 |
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with the first sentence, you’ve reduced everything else you said to worthless drivel.
the hell POS bike did you have that wouldnt out stop a car?
or rather, is it that you were so underskilled you have no idea how to stop fast? its a hell of a lot less energy required to stop 4-500lbs then it is 3500lbs.
DrJohannVegas
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 22:48 |
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Cool story, bro.
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yamahog
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 22:49 |
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Most average bikes have terrible stopping distance compared to the average car
lolwut?
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DrJohannVegas
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:50 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmat…
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Jedidiah
> yamahog
06/08/2015 at 22:53 |
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Just try and stop some big fat cruiser without ABS in the same distance you can stop a Honda Accord
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jkm7680
> DrJohannVegas
06/08/2015 at 22:54 |
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Please read the title.
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Jedidiah
> bob and john
06/08/2015 at 22:55 |
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Try and stop a larger bike without ABS in the same distance a plain old sedan with 4 wheel disks can. It won’t
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yamahog
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 22:56 |
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If you think “some big fat cruiser without ABS” represents most average bikes (much less the sportbikes being discussed in this thread), no wonder you sold yours ;)
ETA - even with a shitty old cruiser tailgating and hitting a car, they’re more likely to kill themselves than anyone in the car. Vice versa, the car kills the other party, as I mentioned in my comment.
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DrJohannVegas
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 22:59 |
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I did. Perhaps you are letting a small sample of motorcyclists shape your perceptions of motorcycling overall. You are using “select” sportbike riders as part of a justification for being “done with bikes completely”.
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Jedidiah
> yamahog
06/08/2015 at 23:00 |
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Not going to disagree with that statement, I sold them because they were fucking terrible
Given the number of 90s/00s Harleys and Farleys you see on the road, I’d wager that they are numerous enough to depict or seriously influence an average
A nice sport bike with dual front disks, ABS and some really sticky tires probably doesn’t represent the average.
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yamahog
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 23:00 |
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Yea, between stoplights on my commute home no less.
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bob and john
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 23:01 |
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yes, your right, i totally forgot a large fat overweight cruiser was the ‘average’ bike. my mistake.
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DrJohannVegas
> bob and john
06/08/2015 at 23:06 |
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If only there was some data in this reply thread with which to evaluate these statements...
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Jedidiah
> DrJohannVegas
06/08/2015 at 23:07 |
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Aside from the 883L, how many of those bikes do you see on the road for them to collectively depict the average motorcycle?
The most numerous bikes I see are 90s/00s Harleys/Farleys with old tires and no ABS, which won’t stop as good as the average sedan with 4 wheel discs and abs.
The sport bikes I see aren’t much better considering they are from the same year range and likely don’t have ABS either.
A nice sport bike with dual front discs, sticky tires, and ABS simply is not the norm on the roads I drive.
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CRider
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 23:08 |
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Using that logic, the average car is a Escalade. Get off those things and onto a real bike, and learn how to ride, and you might not be a danger on the road. Given your comments, though, I don’t want you on a bike or even in a car. Public transit for you.
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Jedidiah
> bob and john
06/08/2015 at 23:09 |
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Given the number of 90s/00s Harleys/Farleys you see, you’d think they are numerous enough to significantly influence the average.
A nice sport bike with dual front discs, ABS, and sticky tires is not the norm on the roads around where I am at least.
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DrJohannVegas
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 23:11 |
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I want you to tell me what an average car is and what an average motorcycle is, with supporting data.
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bob and john
> Jedidiah
06/08/2015 at 23:13 |
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they will stop well.
OH< but you want to throw in old tires into the equaltion? (as per your reply to yamahas) no shit its going to go up.
keep your samples relavent. look at what doc posted, there really isnt a huge difference
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DrJohannVegas
> DrJohannVegas
06/08/2015 at 23:25 |
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Actually, let me tell you what the modal car is (not the average, mind you, because average is a meaningless term here, since you haven’t defined the domain of measurement for “car”): it’s a Ford F150. It has been for years. The F150 stops from 60MPH in about 132 feet. (Source: http://special-reports.pickuptrucks.com/2013/06/2013-l… )
The “average” bike you mention is a Harley. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. In 2013, the best selling bike in the US was the Street Glide Special. So, that’s our modal bike. (source: http://blog.motorcycle.com/2014/04/22/man… ) The best data point I have for that bike is a stopping distance from 30mph - 24 feet. But, in a single panic stop, the energy absorption of the brakes is good enough to assume it follows the same formula, without corrections for fade. With double the speed (velocity, really), you have to dissipate four times the energy. Assuming a finite deceleration, you get four times the stopping distance, which is around 100 ft. I’ll give you some margin, and we can call it 132 feet.
So, again, it’s a wash. This happens because the braking force is limited in part by gravity and the normal force on the tires.
Oh, and by the way, both of those vehicles have ABS.
PyramidHat
> jkm7680
06/08/2015 at 23:31 |
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OK, I get that you’re done with bikes. As someone that rides, I know that’s a very personal decision. But may I just give you one thing to think about: Track Days. I know of a handful of riders that started off on the street, moved up to canyon carving, then gave it up entirely and now only ride during trackdays. True, there’s still the inherent risks of piloting a machine thats natural attitude is on its side, but it’s one helluva lot safer than being out on the roads with dipshits, fuckwits, twatnozzles, douchecanoes and dildoguzzlers.
Just a little food for thought...